I currently have no explanation for the relatively large gap of time between the order for Bob’s re-mustering and his arrival at No. 2(o) A.F.U. – it might simply be related to the length of an A.F.U. course and therefore based on a set ‘start’ date. Having arrived at the A.F.U he began his training as an Air Bomber. This training included, owing to physical proximity, gunnery practice as the front guns of the Stirling (and also the Lancaster) were sat above the Air Bombers nacelle at the front of the aircraft. The training also included navigation and basic flying. After a question posed on the RAF Commands forum regarding A/B training I received the following from Alan F/ 149nut;
The decision to implement the new Bomb Aimer/ Air Bomber category was put forward by Arthur Harris at the 29th March ’42 meeting under Portal, to discuss composition and training of crews on medium/heavy bombers. (AIR 2/2662 refers) It was decided to make Bomb Aiming a discreet trade to be conducted by a dedicated crewmember. Bombardier was the initial title, but this was soon changed to Air Bomber (AIR 6/73 refers) the new Air Bomber also became the “Pilot’s Assistant” (June 42 – only for Stirling and Halifax). Primary task of the Air Bomber was aiming and dropping bombs. He was also to be trained in Navigation, Gunnery and basic Pilot skills. (Bombing, map reading plus gunnery in an emergency. Also to act as pilot’s assistant. i.e. able to fly straight and level and steer a course – Ref Jefford). This meant that their entry standard was similar to Pilots and Observers, with similar pay, and commissioning quotas. ( Ref – Jefford )
As I noted in my reply to this information, I wonder if the absence of any obvious flying training at Millom suggests that this had been completed (Despite Bob’s damming personal assessment of his skills) at 15 E.F.T.S
Date | Hour | Aircraft & No. | Pilot | Remarks | Flying Time | ||
26/11/1942 | 12.40 | Defiant | G5 | Sgt. | Mathieson | Tracer Den (Duty | 20mins |
27/11/1942 | 10.20 | Defiant | G5 | Sgt. | Forest | Beam Airfiring (Duty) No.3 stoppage. No rounds fired |
20mins |
11.50 | Anson | 59 | Sgt. | Edwards | WSD (with a triangle symbol) (Duty) Vector Error 9 | 1hr 25mins | |
02/12/1942 | 14.25 | Defiant | G4 | Sgt. | Scott | Air Firing – Beam (duty) 4 hits | 30mins |
03/12/1942 | 11.20 | Anson | 26 | Sgt. | Tims | WSD (with a triangle symbol) (Duty) Vector Error 4 | 1hr 20mins |
08/12/1942 | 14.00 | Anson | 26 | Sgt. | Tims | B2 (duty) – I think this denotes ‘second bomber’ in exercise. Exercise abandoned Weather U.S |
40mins |
09/12/1942 | 10.55 | Anson | 9 | Sgt. | Greville | Navigation (duty) Map Reading |
3hrs |
20/12/1942 | 0.40 | Anson | 18 | P/O. | Waters | B2 (duty) Exercise abandoned Weather U.S |
50mins |
22/12/1942 | 12.05 | Anson | 12 | Sgt. | Greville | B2 (duty) Exercise abandoned Weather U.S |
45mins |
30/12/1942 | 10.55 | Anson | 53 | Sgt. | George | B2 (duty) Exercise abandoned – signals indicated target u.s. – returned to base |
50mins |
30/12/1942 | 15.30 | Anson | 9 | Sgt. | Greville | B2(duty) 6 bombs dropped – 65 yards error – 10000” |
2hrs 10mins |
31/12/1942 | 11.40 | Defiant | G4 | Sgt. | Mathieson | Cine Gun (duty) | 1hr |
Date | Hour | Aircraft & No. | Pilot | Remarks | Flying Time | ||
04/01/43 | 14.35 | Defiant | G7 | F/Lt. | Ritchie | Beam Firing- fired 200 rds 1 hit | 35mins |
09/01/43 | 16.20 | Anson | 51 | Sgt. | Scutts | B2 – exercise abandoned | 55mins |
14/01/43 | 17.10 | Defiant | G7 | Sgt. | Youens | Beam Firing | 20mins |
15/01/43 | 10.20 | Anson | 53 | Sgt. | Timms | B2 | 1hr 25mins |
18/01/43 | 11.20 | Anson | 47 | Sgt. | Monniea | B2 – excercise abandoned – cloudy | 25mins |
21/01/43 | 13.15 | Anson | 15 | Sgt. | Edwards | B2 – 6 bombs dropped 4G 76yds – 1000’ | 2hr 50mins |
28/01/43 | 9.15 | Anson | 48 | Sgt. | Corewyn | B2 – excercise abandoned – cloudy | 30mins |
29/01/43 | 11.35 | Anson | 5 | Sgt. | Walker | B2 – 5 bombs dropped – 160 yds Close group 10008’ |
2hr 25mins |
Date | Hour | Aircraft & No. | Pilot | Remarks | Flying Time | ||
01/02/1943 | 9.30 | Defiant | G9 | Sgt. | West | Cine Gun (duty) 18 feet fired |
5mins |
01/02/1943 | 13.50 | Defiant | G9 | Sgt. | Johnson | Relative Speed (duty) | 25mins |
02/02/1943 | 15.20 | Anson | 51 | P/O | Graham | Combined Exercise (duty) | 2hrs 50mins |
06/02/1943 | 13.45 | Anson | 7 | F/S. | Sanson | B2 (duty) Weater u.s. Exercise Abandonned |
40mins |
07/02/1943 | 16.40 | Anson | 39 | Sgt. | Stein | B2 (duty) 5 bombs 120” Group (Close) – 10000” |
1hr 50mins |
12/02/1943 | 14.15 | Defiant | G9 | Sgt. | Matieson | Beam Firing (duty) 80Rds Fired. 2 Hits |
35mins |
16/02/1943 | 14.10 | Anson | 44 | P/O | Watson | Combined Exercise (duty) | 2hrs 45mins |
17/02/1943 | 17.30 | Anson | 31 | Sgt. | Corewyn | B7 (duty) 8 bombs dropped Average error 46” & 35” 500” |
1hr 5mins |
18/02/1943 | 22.15 | Anson | 8 | Sgt. | Tims | B5 (Night) 11 Bombs dropped – 2 close groups. – 10000” |
1hr 50mins |
19/02/1943 | 1.55 | Anson | 44 | P/S. | Miller | Navigation (Night) Map Reading. Base – Catterick – Hexham – Ayre – Base |
2hrs 50mins |
21/02/1943 | 16.45 | Anson | 37 | Sgt. | Carter | B8 4 Bombs Dropped – Average error 13×1,500’ |
1hr 20mins |
23/02/1943 | 17.30 | Anson | 17 | F/S. | Jennings | Combined Exercise Base – Whitehaven – Skares Rock – M. Galloway – Chicken Rock – Base Bombing Skares Rock. 3 Sticks Bombs with 2 bombs per stick |
1hr 40mins |
24/02/1943 | 16.35 | Anson | 16 | P/O | Graham | B8 4 Bombs Dropped Average Error 13×1500’ |
45mins |
26/02/1943 | 10.45 | Anson | 27 | F/S. | Tobias | B3 Exercise Abandoned – Weather u.s. |
1hr 5mins |
26/02/1943 | 14.35 | Anson | 37 | Sgt. | Haynes | B3 6 Bombs Dropped. Close Group 93×10000’ |
50mins |
27/02/1943 | 8.25 | Anson | 18 | Sgt. | Tims | B3 Exercise Abandoned – Weather u.s |
2hrs |
27/02/1943 | 13.40 | Anson | 8 | Sgt. | Corewyn | B3 Exercise Abandoned – Weather u.s |
45mins |
05/03/1943 | 13.30 | Anson | 30 | Sgt. | Malone | B3 6 Bombs Dropped. Close Group90′-10000′ |
1HR 51mins |
06/03/1943 | 16.15 | Anson | 4 | Sgt. | Simpkins | Combined Ex. Base-Kirkby Stephen-Carlisle-Dumfries-Corsenall PG-Whitehaven-Base Bombing Askam 2 sticks 2 Bombs Each |
2HR 50mins |
09/03/1943 | 12.10 | Anson | 47 | F/S. | Tobias | B8 4 Bombs Dropped |
1HR 15mins |
09/03/1943 | 16.10 | Defiant | G5 | Sgt. | Youens | Airfiring Q.C.U. 200 RDS Fired |
20mins |
09/03/1943 | 16.55 | Defiant | G3 | Sgt. | Johnson | Airfiring Q.C.U. 30 RDS Fired. Stoppage Belt Jammed |
25mins |
09/03/1943 | 18.00 | Defiant | G16 | Sgt. | West | Airfiring Q.C.U. 200 RDS Fired |
30mins |
11/03/1943 | 8.05 | Anson | 7 | F/S. | Stern | Map Reading Base-St. Bees-Ballymoney-Chicken Rk-Base |
2HR 55mins |
11/03/1943 | 16.05 | Anson | 7 | F/S. | Greville | Combined Ex. Base-Kirkby Lonsdale-Wellington-Welshpool-Wrexham-Crannage-Kirkby-Base Bombing Duddon. 8 Sticks. 2 Bombs Per Stick |
3HR 20mins |
12/03/1943 | 10 | Defiant | G10 | Sgt. | Scott | Air firing R Speed 200 RDS Fired |
25mins |
12/03/1943 | 11.5 | Defiant | G8 | Sgt. | Youens | Air firing R Speed 10 RDS Fired. Links Jammed in Feedway |
30mins |
14/03/1943 | 8.05 | Anson | 34 | P/O | Morgan | B3 6 Bombs Dropped. Close Group 122 x 10000′ |
1HR 30mins |
14/03/1943 | 15.45 | Anson | 51 | Sgt. | Carter | B4 4 Sticks of 2 Bombs Each. Group 98 x -10000′ |
1HR 45mins |
18/03/1943 | 15 | Defiant | G8 | Sgt. | Youens | Air Firing RS 200 RDS. 14 Hits |
30mins |
21/03/1943 | 9.15 | Anson | 24 | Sgt. | Eslick | Combined Ops Starboard Engine Cut – Returned Base |
1HR 35mins |
21/03/1943 | 15.15 | Anson | 53 | Sgt. | Mousdell | Combined Ops B.B.A Prestwick – Returned Base |
2HR 50mins |
I was pleased to see all these Aircrew including myself. I am 92 now and finally posted to 21 Squadron 140 Wing Thorny Island. on Mosquitoes.
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Hello Jack
What a wonderful surprise to hear from you! – I must confess when I first read your comment I simply assumed that you were at Millom – but of course, having read back through Bob’s logbook, I realise of course that you Piloted him a few times – wow – what were the chances of us ever talking I wonder!
I would of course, be fascinated to hear of any memories of your time at Millom – obviously I don’t expect you to have any memories of a young Scotsman who had just failed his Pilot training, but it would be fascinating to hear what you remember to just add a little more to my Fathers story.
I really look forward to hearing from you
best
Simon
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I appear to have lost your previous E mail and as a result have no Idea of your full name or who Bob is. My own Log book has a record of every trainee I flew with both on Ansons and Defiants. so I should be able to trace those you are interesting in. I was at Millom for 2 years before going on Mosquitos. I was trained at No 3 course Ponca City Oklahoma U. S. A. Where I flew the Stearman,Vultee and the Harvard I have been trying to find a photo taken of myself and 2 Spitfire pilots while at Millom with no effect. I am desperate to find this as I have no other picture of myself in officers uniform. You can see more by looking me up on face book. Or just search F/O jack Youens, where you see many wonderful paintings etc signed by many top Pilots. look forward to hear from you. Jack. jack_youens@yahoo.co.uk From: 75(nz)squadron To: jack_youens@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Friday, 3 July 2015, 14:10 Subject: [New comment] 10/11/42 No.2 (O) Advanced Flight Unit (Course 87). Millom, Cumbria #yiv5905014177 a:hover {color:red;}#yiv5905014177 a {text-decoration:none;color:#0088cc;}#yiv5905014177 a.yiv5905014177primaryactionlink:link, #yiv5905014177 a.yiv5905014177primaryactionlink:visited {background-color:#2585B2;color:#fff;}#yiv5905014177 a.yiv5905014177primaryactionlink:hover, #yiv5905014177 a.yiv5905014177primaryactionlink:active {background-color:#11729E;color:#fff;}#yiv5905014177 WordPress.com 75nzsquadron commented: “Hello JackWhat a wonderful surprise to hear from you! – I must confess when I first read your comment I simply assumed that you were at Millom – but of course, having read back through Bob’s logbook, I realise of course that you Piloted him a few times -” | |
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I have checked my logbook and found L,A.C. Bartholemus on my Defiant 9/3/43. This appears to be the only time he flew with me. From: 75(nz)squadron To: jack_youens@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Friday, 3 July 2015, 14:10 Subject: [New comment] 10/11/42 No.2 (O) Advanced Flight Unit (Course 87). Millom, Cumbria #yiv5387960351 a:hover {color:red;}#yiv5387960351 a {text-decoration:none;color:#0088cc;}#yiv5387960351 a.yiv5387960351primaryactionlink:link, #yiv5387960351 a.yiv5387960351primaryactionlink:visited {background-color:#2585B2;color:#fff;}#yiv5387960351 a.yiv5387960351primaryactionlink:hover, #yiv5387960351 a.yiv5387960351primaryactionlink:active {background-color:#11729E;color:#fff;}#yiv5387960351 WordPress.com 75nzsquadron commented: “Hello JackWhat a wonderful surprise to hear from you! – I must confess when I first read your comment I simply assumed that you were at Millom – but of course, having read back through Bob’s logbook, I realise of course that you Piloted him a few times -” | |
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Hell again Jack
Apologies I saw your previous return comment yesterday, but have only just got back to my keyboard. I’m Simon Sommerville – the blog keeper as it were and also President of the Friends of 75(NZ) Squadron Association. The name you will be looking for in your logbook regarding my Father is R.D. Sommerville – not sure what his rank will be – I assume LAC.
look forward to hearing back
all the best
Simon
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my mistake. I must be feeling my age how on earth I did this. I have checked again and find he flew as L.A.C. Sommervill on three occasions 14/1/43, 9/3/43, 18/3/43. Sorry From: 75(nz)squadron To: jack_youens@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 5 July 2015, 18:11 Subject: [New comment] 10/11/42 No.2 (O) Advanced Flight Unit (Course 87). Millom, Cumbria #yiv4980912735 a:hover {color:red;}#yiv4980912735 a {text-decoration:none;color:#0088cc;}#yiv4980912735 a.yiv4980912735primaryactionlink:link, #yiv4980912735 a.yiv4980912735primaryactionlink:visited {background-color:#2585B2;color:#fff;}#yiv4980912735 a.yiv4980912735primaryactionlink:hover, #yiv4980912735 a.yiv4980912735primaryactionlink:active {background-color:#11729E;color:#fff;}#yiv4980912735 WordPress.com 75nzsquadron commented: “Hell again JackApologies I saw you r previous return comment yesterday, but have only just got back to my keyboard. I’m Simon Sommerville – the blog keeper as it were and also President of the Friends of 75(NZ) Squadron Association. The name you will be ” | |
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